Originally Posted by Ultimate Warrior

Im scared, I dont want tje world to end when im still young.

So who believes that everything will die in 2012?

Originally Posted by Naprius

@left alone

i read 3 sites about it about that vehicle of light merkaba and the flower of light

and i understand it perfectly.

but i still think its a load of crap.

Originally Posted by Naprius

does the magnetic field not decrease the further away you get from earth? why don't the astronauts feel the changes that the people in that test chamber felt?

Originally Posted by Naprius

edit: what evidence are we talking about here? something i can see? something i can touch?

is there evidence of people being made of light.
of Thoth living for over 52000 years? of Atlantis? of Grey's landing here, capturing hundreds and thousands of human beings mixing sperm and making a new race? please show me, you got my attention.

Originally Posted by Naprius

Well right back at ya again..
how do you know your side of the story is the correct one? you know any ascended ones that are purely made of light and dont live in a mental facility licking cobbles?

Originally Posted by Naprius

And according to your very long post, you said (at least in one of the theories) that everyone will drop dead because their brain stops functioning. So im wondering why you are lashing out at ultimate warrior?

Originally Posted by Naprius

I dont want you to think im flaming you or anything, its just that you say a lot of stuff backed up by spiritual yaddayadda thats supposed to be centuries old.

thats all. thank you and goodnight

Originally Posted by LeftAlone-

Heres some more I found on the subject, from a bit different kind of source.
Read at your own risk, and don't shoot the messenger.

[ http://www.crawford2000.co.uk/mag.htm ]

There seem to be two schools of thought concerning the coming pole shift .

The first of these is the belief that the Earth will actually tilt on its axis, as stated in the readings of Edgar Cayce and numerous other psychics. Rather like the skin of an orange sliding round the fruit inside, the crust of the Earth is predicted to move accordingly. There is some evidence to support this: For example, the poles, over time, may make the planet "top heavy" with the accumulation of ice and thus, in conjunction with the natural wobble in the rotation of the Earth, combine with this to tip the axis over. Perhaps this would explain the Mammoths found in Siberia with frozen daisies in their mouths, plants that only grow in temperate climates. There are numerous legends from indigenous peoples around the world that tell of a time when either the sun stood still or 3 days of darkness (depending on which part of the planet they were on at the time). A great deal of both channelled information and prophecy agree that this is an essential part of the ongoing Earth Changes that are preparing us for our great adventure.

Although no one is sure when the pole-shift will take place this time (but 2012 seems a bit of a sure bet), one thing is certain, it will happen within this generation.

Indeed, what happens at a pole-shift is anything calm. Usually when we approach the point in the precession of the equinoxes where the changes take place, everything begins to break down. The key is the magnetic field of the Earth, which is what we use to interpret who and what we think we are and also to store our memory. The day before, the day of, and the day after the full moon there is usually an increase in murders, rape, and other serious crimes because the moon causes a bubble on the magnetic field. This minute bubble is enough to push already emotionally disturbed people over the edge.

As the shift approaches, things begin to go out of balance, and the magnetic field begins to fluctuate significantly over a very short period of time (about 3 - 6 months). This would be like a full moon getting bigger and bigger every day. What happens then is that people start to go crazy emotionally. This breaks down economical and social structures on the planet because it is only people who keep these structures together.

According to prophetic and channelled writings, the pole and dimensional shifts are simultaneous (but this may not necessarily be the case-as in all things, discernment of all information is the key). About 5 - 6 hours before the actual shift happens, an extraordinary visual phenomenon should take place. The third and fourth dimensions actually begin to interface. Third dimensional consciousness gradually recedes away from us as we approach fourth dimensional consciousness. As the third dimensional grid begins to break down, synthetic objects disappear (say goodbye to your brand new Hi Fi & TV !!). This is one reason that even though there is a 500 million year history of advanced life on this planet, there is virtually no evidence of it. In order to survive a pole-shift, objects must be made purely out of natural materials like the pyramids and the Sphinx—natural materials that are in resonance with the Earth. Even then virtually everything on the planet will be blown away.

As the synthetic objects begin to disappear, fourth dimensional objects may suddenly emerge. Colours and shapes unlike anything we have ever known will appear on the landscape.

According to the Ascended Masters (See personal viewpoint page for my opinions on these "Masters"), we have already reached the point where 1.5 billion people will definitely make the conscious shift, and the Masters are projecting that everyone, or almost everyone will make it into the next dimension AS LONG AS WE ARE NOT TAKEN IN BY THE CHARADE THAT WILL BE PLAYED OUT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

Even if we are able to keep the magnetic field together up until the actual shift, there will almost certainly be a three and a half day period when it will be completely gone. However, if you can manifest a Merkaba (not going to tell you what this is if you have not heard of it- do your own research - its fascinating), you have your own living time-space vehicle around your body; first of all to replace the magnetic field that has collapsed, and secondly to travel fully consciously from one dimension to another. As soon as the magnetic field collapses, the Earth may disappear for you, and you will be in the Great Void. The duration of this “bardo” will be three and a half days. (according to Gregg Braden in his Book "Awakening to Zero point - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED). Then life will come back in the fourth dimensional world.

You will find yourself in a brand new world the likes of which you have never conceived. You have been there many times before, but your memory has been erased. As you enter this world, though you understand little, you will be greeted by two beings, one male, and one female, father/mother. You will have a very close love connection to these beings. It will then take about two years experientially to grow, mature, and understand all at this level, and your new “parents” will assist and guide you. (This bit is pure speculation gleaned from a variety of channelled sources- don't believe it myself)

You will appear just as you are now, though more than likely naked (clothing usually doesn’t make it through- now ,now behave !!). However, the atomic structure of your body, though it comes through, will have changed dramatically. The mass of your atoms would have been converted to energy. The individual atoms will have separated from one another at a phenomenal distance. Most of your body will be energy—a light body!

Remember, in this new world you will be creating your reality moment by moment with your thoughts. Manifestation will be instant: if you think “banana”, then a banana will instantly appear, and you can peel and eat it!..(ooh the possibilities are endless !!!). This is why thoughts like peace, beauty, love etc., are so important. If you are motivated by fear in the fourth dimension, you will create and manifest your reality instantly, and you will find yourself confronted by something terrifying. The quality of thoughts is totally important on the fourth dimension. This is what Jesus meant when he stressed the purity of thoughts. Love and peace, and unity and being kind to your neighbours are ultimately very practical because they work reciprocally.

These things are important on the third dimension also, but, because of the time delay in manifestation, we get away with playing dumb and not seeing cause and effect. The third dimension seems to be a realm for mastering limitations or “victim” consciousness. In victim consciousness, the ultimate victim is one who doesn’t know that he or she is creating reality, and believes that things just happen to them.

Although I have made some humerous comments, this information is taken very seriously. Go with what you feel, if I have helped you then I am glad, if you don't accept any or all of this, I am equally happy .

For the alternative "Magnetic field theory", read on .....

The Terrestrial Magnetic Field decreasing and causing a Pole Shift ?

Much talk has revolved around coming pole shifts on Earth, either physical or magnetic. Does the evidence bear out such an event happening?

An 180-degree physical inversion of the planet's solid crust around the molten core would be the ultimate cataclysmic "Earth change". However, more than a few experts find this scenario most likely only if another planetary body - such as a 'rogue planet' or similar cosmic anomaly - passed in close proximity to the Earth, providing enough torque for such an event to occur.

A reversal of the magnetic poles is much more likely, however, as it's happened before. Seen in the paleomagnetic record, locked into rocks of the ocean floor and in some lava flows, scientists think the time between reversals on the Earth falls somewhere between every 100,000 to 25 million years, with the reversal itself taking about 5,000 years. [1]

Not that just the reversal takes that long, mind you, and therein lies the crux of the problem. No, during much of that time, the geomagnetic field strength decreases - which counts as part of the 'reversal' process. According to laboratory analysis of thermorenanent magnetization carried by clay baked in ancient times, the average global field intensity in any given region went through a broad maximum about 2,000 years ago. [2] After reaching a maximum, it then began its long descent.

NASA's Magnetic Field Satellite concurs, confirming a trend that goes back to at least 1830; namely, that the terrestrial magnetic field is decreasing in strength. At a rate measured by the satellite, the Earth's field will hit 'zero' in about 1,200 years.[3] That, at least, is the estimate.

One contributing factor to the decrease, and eventual reversal, may be intensifying core spots within the inner core that are magnetized in a sense opposite of the main field[4]; while competing energy sources, such as heat loss at the mantle-core boundary (itself possibly contributing to climate change) and growth of the inner core may also be contributing factors.[5]

As the field reaches 'zero', or close to it (some estimate the magnetic field will be at 20% of normal during a reversal), complete with periods of rapid and radical changes[6], something much more threatening than the upcoming reversal will occur.

First, as the field weakens, so does what many believe is the natural navigatory force for many living creatures. Studies have shown that whales, dolphins, birds and even molluscs and mice use the geomagnetic field as a guiding device. Some, like mice, use it as a directional guide[7]; while cetaceans use the total geomagnetic field as a map, not for directional information, as we would use a compass, but by navigating the contours of magnetic "hills and valleys" in a field that is anything but uniform.[8]

Without it, whales and dolphins would beach in record numbers, birds and other creatures would be 'lost', unable to find their home.

The effect of a magnetic reversal on humans is less known. Confusion might reign, and some theorize a complete 'reboot' of the human mind - the brain IS known to contain magnetite - might occur. However, as the field decreases (before a 'reversal'), one could surmise what may happen by looking at a recent experiment by Dr. Valerie Hunt. Hunt had a room constructed in which the magnetic field intensity could be varied. The following, as spelled out in her book, ''Infinite Mind'', was observed:

When "the magnetism was decreased, gross in-coordination occurred. The entire neurological integrating mechanism was thrown off. Subjects could not balance their bodies; they had difficulty touching finger to nose or performing simple coordinated movements. They lost kinaesthetic awareness."[9]

Could our bodies adjust as a much more gradual, long-term but worldwide decrease in the magnetic field intensity occurred? That may be doubtful, and if so then at what point near the conclusion of this pre-reversal descent would such in-coordination sweep over the human race?

Not that it would matter for long. Now, as the Earth and its magnetosphere ploughs through the solar wind, the charged particles are diverted around a 'shell' created by the geomagnetic field. Without that field, high-energy particles -- including dangerous gamma-, and X-rays -- would penetrate completely, to the surface. If television or radio were still in use at that point in the future, transmissions would become impossible. Electric power grids would be off-line indefinitely.

And the effects on organic matter?

Gamma rays, because they are so penetrating, can have severe effects on the cells of humans and other animals. As with cosmic rays, which also bombard the Earth at all times, gamma rays are known as ionising radiation, which can cause a host of problems from cell death to genetic mutations (leading to cancer), in any living thing.[10] As was said before, the magnetic pole reversal itself would be the least of the worries, as it's unlikely future generations would survive long enough to see it.

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( to find out properly about the MerKaBa mentioned in the text, I suggest searching a library for the two books by Drunvalo Melchizedek --> Flower of Life & Flower of Life 2


[[As the third dimensional grid begins to break down, synthetic objects disappear (say goodbye to your brand new Hi Fi & TV !!). This is one reason that even though there is a 500 million year history of advanced life on this planet, there is virtually no evidence of it. ]]

To clear that up a bit more:
All the materials we manipulate, eg. extract metal from rocks and make spoons out of it, will return back into its natural form. So.. basically that means that when the shift happens, everything that is not NATURAL, will evaporate back into its natural way of existing, thus a possible intelligent race that will inhabit Earth after we are long ago gone will NOT find any sign of advanced technology. All that will remain is a few wooden planks and maybe some cement or other stuff used in buildings around the metallic frame. Wires, electronical devices... ALL of that will be gone. And even then, hundrets of thousand years in the future these new people will be staring at Pyramids in Eqypt and think how stupid people were back then.. duh.. they only knew how to use stone.. so retarded...
( when infact they were smart to leave such stone monuments.. they knew that it is the only thing that will be left from them to show the people of the future that they actually existed)
When you think of it, doesn't it make sense in a way? Often scientists and others think of ways how the stones in the pyramids were cut, or how they were even built... They were done by advanced technology that simply evaporated over the last shift..)